------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 To: •••@••.••• From: David Lewit <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: request for comment on Bear River workshop Cc: •••@••.••• Dear Richard: I like what I've seen from Jan Slakov and you regarding the Nova Scotia workshop (Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance). In general, it differs from Alliance gatherings principally in the emphasis on community. From the start, the Alliance was dominated by the personality of Ronnie and was therefore rather formalistic. Business meetings and declarations were characteristic. Renaissance, on the other hand, seems to proceed more organically, with chat-room protocol as a model. What's missing from both is theatrics and humor, and spirituality (though Jan brings some objectively, and Phil Wheaton, but actually spirituality has to come subjectively from spirit and dedication to the cause and one's fellow beings... You say "building a movement must come first." That's true in the larger sense. But we must act on our principles as we go along with movement-building. People see what we're doing and are attracted to the movement thereby. AfD is doing this with legislative work while educating on MAI. ... Stages are not steps in a line; they are more like apogees in a spiral. ---<snip>--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 To: •••@••.••• From: Mark Douglas Whitaker <•••@••.•••> Subject: Bear River >I really appreciated rkm's comments about how activists discount one >another & play the internal political game. If everyone in CDR can avoid & >discourage this tendency, that alone will be a big service to the >"movement". Of course, along with the great tolerance this entails, it also >begs the creation of boundaries and defined limits to that tolerance. > >Enough for now! > >David Cameron > >EarthSea >Box 95 Riverport >NS Canada BOJ 2WO What about a rotational forum for action which maintains a long term pressure, which is public instead of internet sequestered? Something which uses this division as part of the political process, instead of a hurdle? I'll send a short excerpt from an essay on grass roots strategies which I recently submitted to a group in Rome... Just contact me by e-mail. Regards, Mark Whitaker University of Wisconsin-Madison ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: Re: movement divisiveness (was: `Bear River comments') Richard, I very much respect your efforts to keep talking to mr. X. It is not vital to bring our critics around to agreement, but it is vital to keep trying to communicate to them. Critics are those who care enough to stay inside the ring of discourse- sometimes only because they are lonely nuts, but more often because they are trying to resolve internal disagreements in their own minds and make good use others to move their own process along. A thinking, engaged person sensitively and passionately against what you are doing is like having a free consultant double checking your work as you go along. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 To: •••@••.••• From: Bill Ellis <•••@••.•••> Subject: re: request for comment on Bear River workshop A community will evolve only when the people control their means of economy. --Bill Ellis Bill Ellis TRANET URL: http://www.nonviolence.org/tranet/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Create a sane and livable world in vibrant democratic societies. Bring global corporate power under control. CITIZENS FOR A DEMOCRATIC RENAISSANCE mailto:•••@••.••• http://cyberjournal.org --- To keep join the discussion on bringing about a movement for a democratic renaissance, send any message to: •••@••.••• --- To subscribe to the the cj list, which is a larger list and a more general political discussion, send any message to: •••@••.••• --- To review renaissance-network archives, send any message to: •••@••.•••